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Social Agendas: Gay Marriage

Sep 21, 2008, 12:34 AM [Reply]

 

 

 

 

This post is the continuation of my post Happiness Outside The Cliché

 

This post has the following purposes:

 

a. To expose and contradict empirical preconceptions (social agendas) regarding homosexuality, gay marriage and gay parenting.

 

b. To get religious and other highly prejudiced persons into thinking and reconsidering their stand in the matter and to get them to stick their fucking prejudices up their asses (pray the lord you don't enjoy it)

 

c. To create an space for discussion of the subject

 

Foreseeing the mandatory stupid comments of equally stupid people and although it is not of your fucking business, I'm a heterosexual male so this is a post made by a straight person and not by a homosexual person who wants the whole world to be gay.

 

To make the post shorter, I'll omit all the references but if you are a person who likes to think and based your opinions on reason and scientific facts, I got most of the data from the American Psychological Association; here is the link to more complete information:Lesbian And Gay Parenting

 

At last, the following are WRONG ideas which people commonly believe  WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEM. In other words, I´m against these ideas and here are the reasons why:

 

1. Homosexuality is unnatural

 

This is a weak preconception. The fact is human being is an entity formed mainly by two dimensions: biological and social. Our social nature has leads us to transcend our biological role (for better or worst) so now we destroy nature, built our concrete homes, get dressed, drive highly contaminating machines and eat synthetic food, most of it with no real nutritional value. Does any of the above seem natural to you? So judging a sexual orientation by calling it unnatural is not rational at all because mankind stopped being natural ages ago despite its biological origin.

 

2. Gays and lesbians are mentally ill

 

Wrong!!! "The psychiatric, psychological, and social work professions do not consider homosexual orientation to be a mental disorder. Extensive research conducted over three decades showed that homosexual orientation is not a psychological maladjustment There is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation per se impairs psychological functioning."

 

3. Gays and lesbians would be bad parents

 

Wrong Again!! "Lesbian and heterosexual women have not been found to differ markedly either in their overall mental health or in their approaches to child rearing. Similarly, lesbians' romantic and sexual relationships with other women have not been found to detract from their ability to care for their children. Research on gay fathers likewise suggests that they are likely to divide the work involved in child care relatively evenly and that they are happy with their couple relationships"   

 

4. Children with gay or lesbian parents are more likely to become homosexuals

 

This is one of the main fears of the detractors of gay marriage. Homophobic persons´ fear of a gay society if gay marriage is allowed has no evidence to support it. "The great majority of offspring of both lesbian mothers and gay fathers described themselves as heterosexual. Taken together, the data do not suggest elevated rates of homosexuality among the offspring of lesbian or gay parents". In other words, gay marriages would produce unprejudiced human beings, go figured!!

 

5. Marriage is a holy institution and it can not be stain by the corruption of homosexuality

 

When I speak of gay marriage, I refer to the legal marriage with all the rights and duties it involve, including the right to adopt or to procreate children. There can not be gray areas, either you accept them or not. So the marriage I believe should be allowed for homosexuals is the civil one, if they want to be as unhappy as most heterosexual marriages, fucking let them!! As for the common marriages rituals of the different religions, there is no discussion that no religion has the obligation to accept a gay marriage ceremony if its believes don't accept them. As you know, one can not argue with faith because it listens to no arguments, it is "blind" although I would call it "highly idiotic".

 

 

So, what is your opinion of the matter? If you are against it, which are your reasons?

 

 

 

Song: "Arcus" by Amethystium

 

 

"To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde

Sep 21, 2008, 03:00 AM [Reply]

Yaah Dude I Am Totally Against Gay Marriage As u Mentioned Children with gay or lesbian parents are more likely to become homosexuals .................I Am Not SO Sure About That Their Childrens Whould Be homosexuals Or Not But They Might Have SOme Effects On Thier Nature ............

And Gay Marriage Might Create Imbalance In Our Society ................

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  • 2008-09-21 14:29:00
  • monti_84
  • I foresaw this as well, you didn′t even read the post so you ended up thinking that I′m against gay marriage when in fact I′m pro-gay marriage...please read the post carefully. People too lazy to read is part of the reasons why this world is rule by preconceptions and ideas without foundations...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde
  • 2008-11-06 15:22:40
  • lorna23
  • *insert witty tagline here*

“Friendship Is The Comfort That Comes From Knowing That Even When You Feel All Alone,You Are Not”

Sep 21, 2008, 03:12 AM [Reply]

Gay marriage?..hm...It's hard to tell, i have a gay friend anyway..we are best friend, and if he got married someday, i think i will be there..So you know what i'm trying to say..LOL...And i'm totally not agree that gay and lesbian parents would be bad parents..like just like any other people in this planet anyway..They just prefer to like their own gender...It's a hard discussion by the way..But it's cool....

::Carpé diem ad multam noctum::

Sep 21, 2008, 03:56 AM [Reply]

Hufff.....

Thats sounds akward...

but a well who tha hell im I to do something against it..

I Dont care about gays..

but adopting childrens is a bit to much..

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  • 2008-09-21 14:37:49
  • monti_84
  • Why is that adopting children is a bit too much? I would like to know a good reason against it...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde

Sep 21, 2008, 05:34 AM [Reply]

in the netherlands its normal. nobody looks strange.

but for me...i don't like it.

Sep 21, 2008, 05:41 AM [Reply]

yes, very good this "post", ?donde consigues la musica?, digo como la subes?

salvarme de mi

Sep 21, 2008, 06:05 AM [Reply]

I really don't really mind at all .... i'm not gay and know a few gay people, the majority of civilisation don't seem to care either. It's not sex you get hithed for cos u can get that in very city , town and village, also on most web sites around.

You get married for "love or companionship" and its not important to anyone else who or what you decide to marry......... as long as you ar happy and dont harm others ................... I think that those against gay marriage have small minds and blinkered lives.

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  • 2008-09-21 14:41:15
  • monti_84
  • I agree with you...thanks for your comment...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde

Its all about the SPEED............

Sep 21, 2008, 06:54 AM [Reply]

I'm totally against gay marriage...The first reason is that i don't like gays, and the secpnd reason is that they won't teach their children (if they had adopted any), to anything good.

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  • 2008-09-21 14:44:50
  • monti_84
  • What makes you think they won′t teach anything good to their children? Which are the reasons?...They probably would raise unprejudiced human beings, and that would be a great advance of society...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde

Senior Colonel Konstantin

Sep 21, 2008, 07:04 AM [Reply]

must agree with Inudan (in the question of children adoption).As for other issues, as far as I'm concerned, they can do whatever they want.

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  • 2008-09-21 14:47:31
  • monti_84
  • You can not accept their marriage and take away the basic right they have to be parents...what are your arguments against gay or lesbian couples having children?...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde
  • 2008-09-21 16:01:12
  • MaeLin
  • I guess I'm just not that open-minded, I just can't accept that idea, yet.I don't think they would be bad parents.

    Society is not open-minded. At least my country isn't. Other people would judge parents, feel sorry for kid, or just harass child for his family is different. I think it would traumatize the child. But when you think of it, kids are traumatized all the time anyway.

  • 2008-09-22 00:05:39
  • monti_84
  • Thanks a lot for your honesty and for sharing your point of view...I really appreciate it...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde

Sep 21, 2008, 07:29 AM [Reply]

..I'm know few gay people ...and in general i dont give a fuck ..what are they doing!

..i think that is sick and UNNATURAL!!!

But, if u ask me about Gay Marriage(..in case that they can adopt children) ..i would like to kill that idiot who brought that act! ...becuase that children from gay people ..would be the same idiots like their parents..

..if some gay tell me that gay marriage is ok..i would say:

Ok than, go and fu** your friend in the ass..and wait to emarge a little babe! (if that hapand ..then gay marriage is ok!) lol

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  • 2008-09-21 14:55:15
  • monti_84
  • There is no evidence to support your idea, read the social agenda number 4...Following your line of thought, Are you also against heterosexual couples NATURALLY infertile or with fertility problems to get in vitro inseminations, surrogate mothers or adoption?...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde

Sep 21, 2008, 07:41 AM [Reply]

Nice post

Sep 21, 2008, 08:03 AM [Reply]

I agree with you whole heartedly. To each their own meaning that you should do that which makes you happy. That is suppose the be America's motto " The Persuite of Happiness ". A lot of people don't relies that same sex unions is legal in the U.S weather or not the gov. says so, Our founding fathers took care of that in the creation of the Constitution of the United States. On the child raising, being a good parent or a bad parent has nothing to do with sexual preferences but the values that you were raised with, so if you're parents were bad ones then so could you and so on

" Your only as old as the woman you feel "

Sep 21, 2008, 11:51 AM [Reply]

Hiya Monti...good post...I think everyone has a right to be with someone they love wether the same or the opposite sex. I am a heterosexual woman..i do not think this should give me more or less rights than a gay/lesbian person to get married or adopt a child. There can be as much respect, love & morals taught to a child in a gay household as there can be in a "straight" household. It isnt the sexuality that makes the person its their hearts & soul......good debating one my friend

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  • 2008-09-21 14:58:31
  • monti_84
  • I totally agree with you my friend...thanks for your comment...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde

Be well & happy

Sep 21, 2008, 12:12 PM [Reply]

merci

72.167.45.*

Sep 21, 2008, 12:29 PM [Reply]

Hmmmm well this is not really hard for me I have known some gay people and I don't agree with what they do but it's their life, I don't hate them I guess I feel sorry for them and as far as adopt or in one case I know one of the wemon had a baby I know them, My daughter in law watch the baby when they work and she said that they never spend any time with the baby girl and I also think the little girl will also be gay she won't know any differend growing up so I don't like the ideal of them having kids good post monti

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  • 2008-09-21 15:03:44
  • monti_84
  • The great majority of offspring of both lesbian mothers and gay fathers described themselves as heterosexual. Taken together, the data do not suggest elevated rates of homosexuality among the offspring of lesbian or gay parents". In other words, gay marriages would produce unprejudiced human beings. Take a look at the link I provided, it is serious information and you′ll get to know that there is no evidence to support your idea..

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde
  • 2008-09-21 20:55:47
  • T3KK
  • The Biggest problem I have seen for the children is the abuse they suffer at the hands of their peers. Yes, mummy1 and mummy2 have rights but the interests of the child come first. Sure in a perfect world the children wouldn't be beat-up becuase their parents are both the same sex. But this is not a perfect world... and I don't think it ever will be, children have, do, and always will be little buggers to each other - and why not, adults are not much better!

  • There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who know binary and those who don't!
  • 2008-09-22 00:16:12
  • monti_84
  • That point had came up as a point of concern in this kind of family, but denying them their basic human right to be parents just because they are a minority and they should fear the rejection of the majority is not by far an acceptable argument...social resistance to change will always be there, but that can not stop society from advancing...black people, women, indians, islamics, they all had been rejected or are rejected, and they have stand for their rights regardless of that resistance...it is the same for gay and lesbian people and their right to have children if they want to...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde
  • 2008-09-23 18:22:09
  • T3KK
  • Its not whether they have the right to be parents, it is whether their rights impede another's right. In this case their rights to be parents impede the child's right to live without fear in safety. If they are people who would make decent parents they would not put their future child's happiness and safety at risk.

    Sure if we were a better society and the children are not victimised because their parents are the same-sex then go for it! But that is not the case and I have seen way too many children suffer because of same-sex relationships. And, I know that most of those parents regret what they put their children through. It is not fair but this is not a fair world.

  • There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who know binary and those who don't!

Kathy

Sep 21, 2008, 01:27 PM [Reply]

I am against gay marriage...

What is the purpose of their marriage!!!

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  • 2008-09-21 15:07:37
  • monti_84
  • What is the purpose of their marriage??? The purpose is they are human beings and they have the same rights and duties including the right to be in a civil union where they will get the right to have children and the benefits of a fair division of goods in case of a separation...The purpose is they are a minority which rights are being denied to them...that′s the purpose!!

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde

In dreams and love there are no impossibilities

Sep 21, 2008, 02:29 PM [Reply]

Very good post...and back to topic...hmmm i dont now...i think...i now...that family aggrieve children...I am against it

72.167.45.*

Sep 21, 2008, 03:51 PM [Reply]

roh nik omek

Sep 21, 2008, 04:26 PM [Reply]

To me, marriage itself is a faith-based matter. Any old secular civil union is called marriage nowadays, and barring gays from that is closing the barn doors with the wolf already in. I say let 'em have it.

That said, I've yet to meet a gay person I'd trust with raising a kid. Of course 95% of straight people are just as incapable in my view, so I'm a bit of a harsh judge, but kids need role models of both genders and they won't necessarily get that in a gay household.

The Heretic King

Sep 21, 2008, 05:39 PM [Reply]

I agree ... let gays be gay as long as they don't fall in love with me I'm fine with it.

Life is what you make it.

Sep 21, 2008, 08:51 PM [Reply]

The only thing I saw wrong with your post - other than you don't appear to allow people to have opinions contrary to you own... was that all your knowledge was based on one source. This is not scientific methodology as I know it. Nevertheless, I think it was a relatively interesting article which could have been better articulated.

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  • 2008-09-21 23:58:52
  • monti_84
  • Thanks a lot for your comment...It is not that I don′t allow people to their opinion, it is that often they give opinions without any good point of view for me to understand...and about the source of the information, if you read carefully the site I provided it is in fact a summary of numerous studies from different countries and researches, so in fact the data comes from numerous sources and not only one as you say...thanks for stopping by...

  • "To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who know binary and those who don't!

 

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